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START YOUR TRANSCRIBING, PEOPLES. --Champthom 07:07, 23 November 2009 (CET)

  • When transcribing is done, we just need to wikify it a bit. I'd do this myself but I'd rather not interfere with someone's transcribing and I hate dealing with edit conflicts. --Champthom 08:19, 23 November 2009 (CET)
    • Fantastic work, we just need to highlight the stuff from this, and add a note to the intro about the highlighting. Prevailing opinion is that this is Chris's doing, based on the fact favorable things are highlighted (he's not delusional, he's not retarded, etc.). --Champthom 09:30, 23 November 2009 (CET)

Page 4 missing

The page marked "Page 4" is Page 1 again. I'd fix it my self but I don't have the sacns. Glorious Tentacularity 07:35, 23 November 2009 (CET)

  • That's fixed now, all four pages are there. --Champthom 07:36, 23 November 2009 (CET)

Page 4

I somehow can't fix the last line on page 4. Could someone with wiki knowledge fix that and tell me what to do next time? Cows 07:36, 23 November 2009 (CET)

These papers are astoundingly positive about Chris. Him being diagnosed with "no more than slight impairment in social, occupational, or school functioning" is rather hilarious in fact. Either Chris mental health deteriorated since this encounter or the doc was enthralled by Chris' suave autistic charm.

  • Remember when reading those papers that they provide information probably based off only one or two conversations. It's easy to keep up the ruse of normality when a psychiatrist can't see the patient in his own environment or a group setting. Take note that the psychiatrist himself probably realised this, because despite Chris' words of doing very well for himself and him not being dangerously aggressive, he still advised further treatment. --Hayate666 10:33, 23 November 2009 (CET)
    • Also, I reckon this guy didn't actually prod him too much. Chris is capable of being fairly civilized in the company of authority figures, so long as he doesn't think that they might be insulting him or getting in his way. In the Father Call he went to great lengths to behave himself until Matt started mocking him/telling him the truth. As far as this article goes, I tossed a bit about his medication history in the "Chris and psychology" article, but it occurs to me, should much of this stuff be incorporated into that article and "Chris and health", or would it make more sense to just link from there to here? Dkaien 11:03, 23 November 2009 (CET)
      • No need to go into detail, but it should be mentioned. A rough out line, perhaps. Glorious Tentacularity 11:12, 23 November 2009 (CET)

Fake?

Can't help but feel that this is all fake, mostly because of the way the sentences are written as well as rehashes of information we already know (particularly the spunky monkey part and the shrinky dink charms). It is too vauge in certain places and far too specific in others.

Not saying that cwc has faked it himself since it doesn't present him in a 100% positive light, but you know what I mean. Granola 11:43, 23 November 2009 (CET)

  • Hmmm... you have a point. Actually, I'm conspicuous about the "effect/affect" mistake. Maybe Liquid himself faked it? Though probably the only way to know for sure is to somehow show them to Chris and see his reaction. GokuGetEm 11:53, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • I did google "Zachariah C. Dameron," and he seems to be a real shrink. I can't compare this document with other psychiatric evaluations since I have no experience in that area, but it isn't positive enough (or poorly written enough) for Chris to have faked it, nor is it negative enough for a troll to have faked it for the lulz. Glorious Tentacularity 11:52, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • Both of the doctors listed are real. One of them works at (I think) USC and previously worked at UVA. "Affect" is a real term, as in "Christian Weston Chandler often displays no affect." --Anaconda 12:21, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • It looks authentic to me. Every bit of jargon is used as it should. --Hayate666 13:10, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • It looks real to me as well- the paper is set up in the proper format & honestly... does anyone really think that Chris would be capable of requesting something like this (because we know he couldn't have made this) without telling the person to make him look 100% great? I wonder if anyone's tried to fax or email these papers & this website to either of those doctors yet. Meeko 14:44, 23 November 2009 (CET)Meeko
  • Not only it looks quite professional but it is also quite tame as a psychiatric evaluation. If this was a forgery from Chris, he would had made himself look better. If it was made by Liquid, He would had added passages with "Foreshadowing" parts. As far as revisiting the info we already got, we need to remember that Chris is quite straightforward with personal info disclosure. Griffintown 15:09, 23 November 2009 (CET)

I doubt it's fake, but it's certainly out of date. His GAF, if measured today by a psychologist in full possession of the facts, would likely hover somewhere around 55-60. I think this is less than completely accurate because Chris didn't reveal the extent of his problems (note no mention of the Sonichu comics anywhere) and because the psychiatrist was not able to actually observe his interpersonal interactions over a long period of time (note the lack of references to his pathological narcissism). I do like the fact that it mentions him as being overweight, yet he still denies it.Sygerrik 16:15, 23 November 2009 (CET)

  • Yes, this would be my guess. It's honestly not hard to prevent a psychologist from finding out about some of your problems (Hell, most of the time the people who are around you every day don't always know about them, depending what exactly they are). Chris probably managed to avoid revealing his enormous delusions of greatness and the fact that he's not nearly as intelligent as he claims to be. Additionally, I think his mental state sort of went into a decline once he met Megan. The thought that he had finally reached his goal of having a girlfriend just made him more conceited, and once the trolling began that just stoked the fire.--That Man 18:40, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • I am shocked and appalled you guys think this is a fake. Why would I upload an "obvious" forgery onto our fair CWCki, especially when it's a historical document? Seriously, how the hell would Chris know what a Folstein score is, what the DSM-IV axis is, in addition to a GAF? Also, yes, there are spelling and grammatical mistakes. Remember, this is a doctor and not an English professor and the secretary just typed out what he or she was told without really proof reading because really, who really proof reads a psychiatric diagnosis (well, except maybe people with OCD, WAKKA WAKKA!)? I mean, I really don't care how great my doctor's English is as long as he knows how to practice medicine.
This is another case of needing to remember the time period. This is from November 2004. Chris wouldn't begin work on Sonichu 0 for another three weeks. Chris was probably still a very different person then - he still stalked women in public, he really wasn't on the Internet back then, etc. Trolling has changed Chris and much of what we see is mostly because of trolling. I'm hazarding a guess that Chris has been off psychiatric medication since around 2007, when we first made contact or even as early as 2005, when Chris really started to decline. Not to mention it seemed that the doctor seemed to take Chris's word, as his parent's word, so he's probably no better off than we are, except he had training to make a professional and unbiased diagnosis.
In case you didn't notice, Chris tells the same things to the same people over and over. It's like how he always tells this joke whenever he's asked to tell a joke. He always tells people about the fact his eyes are two different colors. He is more or less willing to tell his life story to anyone who asks, and it's always the same - he is Christian Weston Chandler (birth name Christopher, alias Ricardo), the true and original creator of the electric Hedgehog Pokemon Sonichu and Rosechu, created March 17, 2000 at Manchester High School. He is a 27 year old high functioning autistic male seeking a boyfriend-free girl build from the ground up into a sweetheart, so she can father his God chosen daughter Crystal Weston Chandler. He is STRAIGHT. Listen to Mumble chats again. Read the IRC logs. Watch the videos again. Read the comics. You'll see Chris says the same things, over and over. The sad thing is, he does this IRL too. Especially with his sweethearts - Chris's plan for dating Blanca is exactly the same as it was for Ivy and only changed because Ivy bitched about how she heard what Chris told Blanca. Chris's sex fantasy with Julie was the same as it was for Panda, except Chris decided he'd make his semen taste like strawberries and not chocolate. Listen to the date with Emily - he tells the same things to Emily IRL that he tells people online, even when he doesn't suspect it being recorded. Chris isn't original.
Guys, I do not fuck with historical documents. This is from CWC himself and I uploaded this in cooperation with Bryan Bash (who did this on Krapple) simultaneously. Apocryphal content does not belong on CWCki, at least in the main namespace, and I will make sure it remains that way. But this is the real deal, from Chris himself. The highlighting may be Chris's doing but this was uploaded by Chris and sent to Kacey herself and she can confirm she received this. --Champthom 20:23, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • Champthom, look, I'm sorry I posted my doubts. It definitely wasn't that I didn't believe you or your sources or something... I was just toying with any possibilities, is all. Sorry my post upset you. I guess, you've far more experience in that whole Chris-trolling scene than me, so you surely know better. Again, sorry for upsetting you and the other guys. And yeah, good job on achieving this relic, by the way! --GokuGetEm 09:53, 24 November 2009 (CET)

lay down the law on them bitches

“Uncle Spunky is a really funky monkey.”

EVEN YEARS LATER HE STILL SAYS THIS

-- jump

  • Easy Champ, I have no doubt that nine out of ten people would call this authentic at first sight. I know you check your facts and you only allow official diagnoses in here, it's just that some people don't know what a psychiatric evaluation is supposed to look like. Now they know. And knowing is half the battle. --Hayate666 21:36, 23 November 2009 (CET)
  • GI JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE. Really, not a huge deal, just this isn't the first time I've heard people allege that certain documents are fake (like this) when I can ensure you that any historical document that is on the CWCki is verified. --Champthom 04:18, 24 November 2009 (CET)
    • To be fair, it's better that people are being skeptical about this document rather than accepting it always at face value. Being skeptical means you're interested in the source, and if people weren't as skeptical on here as they are, the CWCki wouldn't be such a good source of factual information as it is, as people could submit pretty much anything if stuff is accepted at face value. Besides, this is a REALLY awesome find after all, I'm not surprised people would question its veracity since it's almost too good to be true. SirCucumber 22:25, 25 November 2009 (CET)

"Uncle Spunky is a Funky Monkey"

I'd like to provide some input or possible clarification on the "Uncle Spunky" part -- judging from the Wikipedia article on the psychological test given and the mention of a specific sentence, it sounds like a similar test I was given when I started seeing a psychologist for clinical depression. I had mentioned to her that at times I had trouble focusing or that my mind wandered, and she asked me to remember three specific words and to repeat them back to her: "Apple, Book, Chair." She then asked me to count backwards from 100 as quickly as I could, which I did. After that, she asked me if I remembered those three words from the beginning of the test (which I did, so apparently I didn't have a serious issue with short-term memory). I am guessing that "Uncle Spunky is a Funky Monkey" was Chris's test phrase that he had to remember while performing some mental tasks - it has a silly rhyming element that makes it fairly easy to remember, and I suppose if after a string of math problems or arithmetic exercises Chris couldn't remember the phrase, it would point at some kind of focusing issues or short term memory problems. In any case, I think this evaluation is fascinating. It's not every day that someone really throws their life out on the internet for all to see and study. Karloffsidekick 09:24, 26 December 2009 (CET)

  • ...Aaand, looks like we got the full story on that one. Thanks! Like all things about Chris, it's at the same time sad and somewhat hilarious. I've added it to the Random-access humor page. --GokuGetEm 09:38, 26 December 2009 (CET)
  • From what the more educated e-psychiatrists on Krapple and PVCC, the question is just to have the patient make up any sentence that comes to mind for them, just to test very basic cognitive thought (see here for a bit about the test in question). I don't think this is something a psychiatrist made up but rather Chris's random access humor (IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE "SPUNKY" RHYMES WITH BOTH "MONKEY" AND "FUNKY" AND "MONKEY" IS SO FUNNY LOLOLOLOLOL). tl;dr - Chris recycles material, even IRL.--Champthom 21:57, 26 December 2009 (CET)
    • Thanks for the link. I read it - there's an exercise called "Repetition", which means to repeat a phrase said by the doctor. At the same time, I didn't find an exercise which consisted of the patient creating their own phrase. Please, elaborate, what exercise did you mean? --GokuGetEm 00:44, 27 December 2009 (CET)
  • The Folstein test (aka the Mini-Mental State Examination) is apparently public domain in some countries but copyrighted in the US or something like that. I was able to find a copy of it here, here, and here (the latter explaining the score a bit). The repetitive question in all three seems to have them repeat the phrase "No ifs, ands, or buts." If you mean a recall question like the apple, chair, book thing then in those cases they're limited to three words. Question 10 asks the patient to write a sentence of their choice, and Chris decides to recycle his material. --Champthom 01:16, 27 December 2009 (CET)
  • Okay, I see... Hm, looks like Chris really could've made this phrase. OK, you win :) However, lookie what I found! (link) Looks like "Uncle Spunky" was a character from "Dick van Dyke's Show"! And Chris is known for being a fan of Dick van Dyke. I haven't seen the show, so I don't know if Uncle Spunky was a monkey, or not... Anyway, what do you think about this? --GokuGetEm 09:20, 27 December 2009 (CET)